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Q:   Is salvation and baptism alone enough?

A:  "For it pleased the Father that in Him [Jesus] all the fullness should dwell, and
by Him to reconcile all the things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or
things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. And you,
who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He
has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you [to the
Father] holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight -
if indeed you
continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the
hope of the gospel
which you heard, which was preached to every creature under
heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister."

These verses tell us that Jesus, through His sacrificial blood, has reconciled the Christian to
the Father. The Father sees the Christian holy, separate from the world and without sin,
because Jesus paid the price for the Christian to be free from blame and reproof before
God. But we need to look at "if we continue in the faith".

The very fact that Paul said, "if you continue in the faith" means it is possible that you might
not. In other words,
there is eternal security in Christ, as long as you stay in Christ.
No one can steal your salvation. God will not let you go. However, the Word teaches that it is
possible for a Christian to give up the gift of grace - His salvation.

Jesus said that once you receive Him as Lord and Savior and are baptised with water and
the Holy Spirit, you will have eternal life.  But then He also says narrow are the gates of
heaven and few will enter, and many will say "Lord Lord" and He'll say "I know you not...
depart from me..." (Luke 13: 24-27) Once you receive Jesus as the Christ, you are given
eternal life, BUT you must
STAY in the faith.

The Bible challenges us to remain faithful to the end. How do we know that you have
remained in the faith? You will have many fruits of the Spirit on you (James 2: & Luke 6:43-
45).  Another way is to have spirits subject to you (Luke 10:17-20).

That is easy proof that you are written in the book of life. A quiet way is to have such faith as
to pray in the Spirit. Continually praying in the Spirit deepens one's faith and proves
salvation. Is the chicken first or the egg? Faith is the chicken, Spirit filled prayer is the egg.
Look for prayer warriors with lots of eggs hatching and nourishing around them. That is
eternal proof. Another way is to confess your faith in Jesus the Christ publicly (Matt. 10:32-
33). If you do, Jesus will confess you before the Father. All good or evil leads from the heart.
God knows everyone's heart, (Eph 3:17) by faith, being rooted and grounded in love. Jesus
will not live in a stone heart.  

Luther wrote, "James is an Epistle of straw." Why? Mr. Luther had been worn out by the law.
He was born anew, when he found Romans 1:17; the Just shall live by faith. Luther is
correct. James is equally correct. James points out that potentially such a faith can be dead.
Because, the intellectual belief is once saved, always saved.  Most Bible-believing
Theologians disagree with this view. I argue that once saved, always faithful, leads to
eternal life. If you have no works, as James 2 points out, of what are you saved? The
difference is as simple as faith and faithful are different. The initial faith is critical for
changing the heart from stone to flesh (Ezek 36:26). But you must keep the fleshly heart
pumping all your life to be faithful.  

According to Matt 10:1, Mark 3:13 and Luke 10, Jesus gave the same power to all 12
disciples. That means they were all equally written in the book of life. According to Acts 1:25,
of what did Judas fall from? And where did he fall to? Judas had salvation, baptism and Holy
Spirit power. He was written in the book of life. It took some effort, but he ended up in hell.

A Baptist Pastor once said, "They pulled the thief down off the cross and baptized him. They
put him back on his cross." It is silly to be such a legalist that you ignore one simple thing,
"Jesus." Baptism is a wonderful fruit of salvation. To be a faithful Christian and not be
baptized is unwise and less than fulfilling. But just as the thief gained paradise that day, so
will all that call on Jesus' name prior to death gain heaven without baptism.

Many years ago I attended a Roman Catholic funeral. The Priest stated, "I asked this man if
he believe in the Mother Church?" He replied, "I do. The Priest then exclaimed, "That means
he's in heaven." I disagree. One must confess Jesus is Lord to achieve heaven. I hope by
grace that man is there. It is God's decision. But the door is narrow. The door is very
narrow. We all need Jesus to get through that door.

Salvation
STARTS with accepting Jesus as Lord & Savior, it is really very simple...Jesus said
we must become as "little children" or we will NOT see the kingdom of God (Matt. 18:3). Little
children are very trusting.  So WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, so we will be as children. A child
will also emulate their parents...they do so to please them. Salvation is a gift from God, not
of works, lest any man should boast of that he has earned it:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of
God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God
hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

BUT verse 10 is the qualifier...it says that: we are created His workmanship UNTO good
works, which God has ordained that we SHOULD walk in them (the good works). In other
words,
IF someone is truly saved\born again, they will have good works in their
lives.
..this is NOT just talking about what they do as "religious service", but more as what
they do in their lives TOO.

Accepting Jesus as Lord & Savior, many think by saying a "simple little prayer" they are
saved...they MIGHT be...it has a LOT to do with what is REALLY going on in their heart.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but
of God.

When we receive Jesus into our hearts, He gives us the power to "become" the sons of God.
The word "become" literally means "to generate" (or CAUSE TO BE)". Basically, when we
ask Jesus into our heart, HIS seed is planted in us. What we do with that seed is up to us.
Remember the parable of the sower & the seed (Matt. 13:1-11, Mk 4:1-9, Lk 8:5-8)???

Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was
made in the likeness of men:
Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient
unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phi 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above
every name:
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things
in earth, and things under the earth;
Phi 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God
the Father.
Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Salvation is the "out working" of the seed that God has planted in our hearts & remains in
us. out working is speaking of OUT OF our inner most being (our heart).

1Jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be
called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of
the law.
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,
neither known him.
1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous,
even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For
this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and
he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever
doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

A Christian doesn't commit sin. We all may "fail" & sin occasionally, time & again, but that
isn't what this means. The word "COMMIT" means a continuous action...practicing habitually.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be
born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the
second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of
the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not
tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver
and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest
in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him
glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto
unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
which liveth and abideth for ever.

Being BORN AGAIN is by the WORD of GOD, which takes root in us and grow. A
person CAN be born again instantly...others may take some time...some people may
take years...others are not saved at all.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is
longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to
repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens
shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth
also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought
ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens
being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth,
wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be
found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved
brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some
things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do
also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also,
being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To
him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

GROW in GRACE & INTIMACY (intimate knowledge)

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of
heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work
iniquity.

Its all about intimacy with God!!! This word KNEW is the same word that is spoken here:

Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him,
and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his
name JESUS.

It means INTIMATE...Joseph was NOT INTIMATE (sexually) with Mary until AFTER Jesus was
born. The sad thing is, the vast majority of people that call themselves Christians have NO
or little intimacy with God. They are only religious. Spiritually they are EMPTY.  Remember
the parable of the wheat & the tares?  A tare looks JUST like wheat, except it gives NOR
FRUIT. Many profess "Jesus", but they have NOTHING inside...they are TARES.

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is
likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and
went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the
tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou
sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt
thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with
them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the
reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but
gather the wheat into my barn.

It says that we aren't to uproot the tares, but to let them grow along with the wheat. I
hopefully would try to convert them, but it might not be possible. It is up to their hearts.
People REALLY need to get on their faces & mean business with God! A person that is
SAVED...BORN AGAIN...will have fruit in their lives:

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these
are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication,
uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you
before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit
the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness,
faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an
offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named
among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but
rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man,
who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the
wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children
of light:
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove
them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever
doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ
shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Looking at the majority of the "Church", we see MORE of the works of the flesh then we we
the fruit of the Spirit.  The Lord told me that the majority of people that call themselves
Christians have NOT so much as led ONE person to Jesus. One day, they will stand before
HIM & have NOTHING to show Him (parable of the Talents).

Mat 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called
his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
Mat 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every
man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
Mat 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and
made them other five talents.
Mat 25:17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
Mat 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's
money.
Mat 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Mat 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents,
saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five
talents more.
Mat 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been
faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of
thy lord.
Mat 25:22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto
me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
Mat 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been
faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of
thy lord.
Mat 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that
thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not
strawed:
Mat 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that
is thine.
Mat 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou
knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mat 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at
my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mat 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but
from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him
up at the last day.

He that EATS His flesh & DRINKS His blood, NOT saying some little prayer...this means
continually eats & drinks. If a person is TRULY doing this, they WILL CHANGE...they will
NOT remain the same...they will BE BORN AGAIN.

1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God
keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jo 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus
Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1Jo 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Again, verse 18 is referring to a person that DOESN'T PRACTICE SIN. He that is BORN of
God KEEPS himself (has a changed heart & turns from sin, does NOT allow sin to be
practiced). The wicked one (the devil) can NOT touch him in a habitual way....Again
referring to practicing sin. How can people miss this??? He says THAT WE MAY KNOW
HIM...we MAY...in other words...YES, YOU MAY....He gives us the privilege to KNOW HIM,
but MOST reject the idea & keep Him at a distance....they don't want to get TOO close to
HIM...He might make them stop doing what they LOVE to do...instead of love Him & DO what
He does...

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that
is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, AND shalt believe in
thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 FOR with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth
confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 FOR the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 FOR there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord
over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 FOR whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The AND & FOR(s) are IMPORTANT. The AND means BOTH are necessary. The FOR(s)
mean "BECAUSE" (meaning what was said PRIOR is qualified BY what follows AFTER-
because). In other words, when a person confesses Jesus AS LORD with their mouth they
are saying that their lives are SUBMITTED UNTO HIM & they now live FOR HIM. It says in
verse 10: FOR (because) with the heart man believes unto righteousness...this is what
happens FIRST. Then the believing in their heart causes them to CONFESS HIM AS LORD.
By believing that God raised Jesus from the dead they SHALL BE SAVED BECAUSE the
power of the resurrection from the dead is where the POWER to believe & revive our dead
spirit. With their heart they BELIEVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. In other words, they begin
living RIGHTEOUSLY in agreement with their confession.

Yes...the 4 soils & the seeds in Matt. 13 are VERY important! ONLY ONE brings forth
FRUIT: 30, 60 100 fold...ONE brings NO FRUIT UNTO PERFECTION. Which means, that
fruit begins, but doesn't mature properly due to the CARES of this life & deceitfulness of
riches, which CHOKE  the word (seed of God). The 3rd ONE begins to grow, but when
tribulation or persecution for the word's sake occurs, offense occurs & they fall away
because it has no ROOT (DEPTH) because of a rocky-hardened heart. And lastly, is the
ONE that was sown on the wayside (seed barely got into the ground), then the devil comes
& is able to devour the word, because though it was "received", it wasn't "understood"....just
like we are talking about...people are so confused about salvation...they just don't
understand it!!

Pastor Mark & Julie,
Revival Fire Church
www.RevivalFireChurch.net






Q: Do people who commit suicide go to heaven or hell?

A:  A person who attempts or commits suicide is not in their right mind (severe depression or
mental).  We know God is merciful and takes into consideration our situation and
circumstances.  If mercy can be shown to murders and such (1Cor 6:9-11) surely He will
take into count the severe emotional stress and any other factors that might cause this
tragedy.  Our hope lies in the hands of our merciful heavenly father "who forgives in a large
way" Isaiah 55:7.

In any moral, or immoral, act there are two important factors to be taken into consideration:
(1) freedom and (2) understanding.

1. Freedom: Two 8 year olds throw stones at a defenceless animal; one does it simply
because he wants to, whilst the other is threatened with harm by a 16 year old if he does not
throw the stones. The one who is threatened has less freedom and so is less culpable.

2. Understanding: Two people throw stones at a defenceless animal: one person is 8 years
of age and the other is 16 years of age. It is obvious that the 16 year old has more
understanding of the situation and is therefore more culpable. However, if the 16 year old
has severe mental problems then he will be less culpable than the 8 year old.

It is important to remember that understanding and morality are strongly influenced by
upbringing and social environment. A child who is raised to believe that dishonesty is
acceptable will be less culpable than one who has been taught to value truthfulness.

It would be argued by theologians of morality that a person who habitually considers suicide
is not in a healthy emotional state because the instinct of self preservation is one of the
most basic humans possess. A depressed emotional state reduces a person's freedom and
thus culpability. If mental illness is added to the scenario, then the level of responsibility is
greatly diminished. From the perspective of most religions, a person who suffers from a
mental illness (or depression) does not have a sufficient amount of freedom for the act of
suicide to be considered a sin. Therefore, it is unimaginable that God would keep such a
person from entering Heaven.

Bottom line, we are not to judge who is and isn't going to heaven.  We are to walk out His
commandments which we will be held responsible for.  Our job is to help others, to lift them
up in prayer and with encouraging words, to come together as a family of believers so no
one feels alone or defeated out there in this cold dark world.







Q: Does the rapture happen before tribulation?

A:  (Revelation 8:1-2) "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was
silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels
which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."

The last of these seven trumpet judgements is "the last trump:" (1 Cor 15:52), when "the
dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." This is obviously referring to
"the first resurrection" of the righteous dead, which takes place at the rapture, and shows
that the rapture occurs at the end of the trumpet judgements. As these trumpet judgements
occur just before Jesus returns, it shows that the rapture occurs at Jesus' only coming,
which is after the tribulation (Matt 24:29-31). Other evidence confirms this timing:

"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished, as he has declared to his servants the
prophets." - Rev 10:7

What "mystery" of God will be finished at the sound of the seventh trumpet? It must at least
include the one Paul talked about when he said:

"Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed in a
moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed."- 1 Cor 15:51-
52

This is the rapture, and confirms that it happens at the seventh trumpet judgement:

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The
kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall
reign for ever and ever." - Rev 11:15

When do the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of Christ? After the seventh
trumpet, at the start of the millennium, showing that the rapture takes place just before the
start of the millennium, on "the last day", at Jesus' second coming after the tribulation.

MATT 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of
the heavens shall be shaken;
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes
of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with
power and great glory.

MARK 13:24 But in those days,
after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the
moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 Then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four
winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

1 THES 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and
remain to the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the
archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to
meet the Lord in the air: so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Note: Other scriptures also indicate that Jesus will come in the clouds with great power and
glory at his second coming (Dan 7:13; Matt 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 21:27; Rev 1:7) In both
accounts it happens
after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29; Mark 13:24), and so refutes both
the errors of a pre-tribulation rapture, and a mid-tribulation rapture.

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Q:  What are some of the Lies of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture?
By Roger Jimenez

1. The lie that Christians will not go through the tribulation.

The pre-tribulation rapture teaches that Christians will not go through the tribulation. However, it is very
clear from scripture that the “Son of man” does not come to gather together his elect until after the
tribulation.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her
light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  And then shall
appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall
see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  And he shall send his
angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from
one end of heaven to the other.”
                                                                                              - Matthew 24: 29-31

Who are the elect? We can see how the word "elect" is used in other verses: “Who shall lay any thing to the
charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.”
                                                                                              - Romans 8:33  

“Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the
acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;”
                                                                                               - Titus 1:1  

It is clear from the context of Matthew 24 and from other verses in the Bible that the elect are God’s chosen
people (Christians). It is also clear that Matthew 24:29-31 is referring to the rapture.  Therefore if the rapture
does not happen until after the tribulation, Christians will go through the tribulation.

2. The lie that the tribulation is the wrath of God on this world.

The reason the pre-tribulation rapture teaches that Christians will not go through the tribulation is that it
teaches a false definition of the word “tribulation." It teaches that “the tribulation” is when God pours out his
wrath on the unsaved world. However, that is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible uses the word
tribulation 22 different times. For sake of time we cannot look at all 22 times it appears but let’s look at a
few examples of when the word is used:

“Yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth
because of the word, by and by he is offended.”
                                                                                              - Matthew 13:21  

“Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or
nakedness, or peril, or sword?”                   
                                                                                              - Romans 8:35

“Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by
the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of
God.”                                                                                                         
                                                                                             - 2 Corinthians 1:4

“I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus
Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus
Christ.”                               
                                                                                            - Revelation 1:9  

Tribulation could not mean the wrath of God on the un-saved because in most of the verses that the word
is used it is God’s people going through the tribulation. Tribulation is the state of being persecuted or
afflicted. So, when you are persecuted you are in tribulation. Christians will go through the tribulation
because the tribulation of the end-times is not the wrath of God on the world but the persecution of Satan
and the Antichrist on believers.

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)  Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:  Neither let him which
is in the field return back to take his clothes.  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then
shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall
be.  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake
those days shall be shortened.”
                                                                                         - Matthew 24:15-22

The Bible says that the elect will go through the tribulation; we already mentioned that the elect are saved
believers.  When tribulation or persecution is being inflicted, it is generally done to a specific person or
group of people. Even when the Bible speaks of God casting people into tribulation it is to a specific group
of people.

“Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which
calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things
sacrificed unto idols.  And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.  Behold, I will
cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their
deeds.”                        
                                                                                           - Revelation 2:20-22  

When God pours out his wrath it will not be the “tribulation” because it will not be directed at any specific
person or group; it will be poured out on the entire world. A group of people will be spared from his wrath
and those are the believers. However, his wrath will not be directed at anyone in particular but rather at the
whole world.   

“And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the
vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.”       
                                                                                          - Revelation 16:1

In the book of Luke, Jesus says that the day God pours out his wrath on this world will be as it was in the
days of Noah. Sin will abound, and God’s people will be spared, but he will punish the whole world!

“And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.  They did eat, they
drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the
flood came, and destroyed them all.”
                                                                                          - Luke 17:26-27

Christians will not be on the earth when God pours out his wrath because the Bible says:
“For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus
Christ,”                                                                                              -1Thessalonians 5:9  

The wrath of God does not come until after the rapture, and the rapture does not come until after the
tribulation.

“Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they
builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and
destroyed them all.  Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
                                                                                          - Luke 17:28-30

Just like in the same day that Lot came out of Sodom the city was destroyed. That is how it will be in the
day that the Lord Jesus Christ is revealed as soon as he takes the Christians out of the world he will begin
to pour out his wrath.

3. The lie of the imminent return of Jesus Christ.

The pre-tribulation rapture teaches that the return of Christ is imminent, meaning it can happen at any
moment. It says that there is nothing that needs to happen in order for Jesus Christ to return. Scripture
proves that his imminent return is simply not true. The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ cannot happen
until first there come a falling away, and second the “man of sin, the son of perdition” (the Antichrist) be
revealed.   

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together
unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as
from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;  Who
opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in
the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”
                                                                                        -2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

So, what is “the day of Christ”? The Bible says:

“Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
                                                                                       -1 Corinthians 1:8

The day of Christ is in the “end” and on that day we will be blameless.

“Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day
of Jesus Christ:”
                                                                                       - Philippians 1:6  

In the day of Christ, God will be done performing the work he has begun in us. So when will all this be?

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when
he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
                                                                                        - 1 John 3:2  

The day that the Lord Jesus Christ returns is the same day that we will be like him. Then the work of
sanctification that God is performing in us will be done. Therefore the day of Christ is the day that Jesus
Christ returns. According to 2 Thessalonians, the day of Christ cannot come until two things happen first: a
great falling away and the man of sin being revealed. This means that the day of Christ (i.e. the day that the
Lord Jesus Christ returns) is not imminent.

4. The lie that there is no sign of the return of Jesus Christ.

Jesus was asked two questions by his disciples about the end times. The first question was, “when shall
these things be?” and the second question was, “what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of
the world?” The Lord Jesus Christ answered both of these questions, which is why we have the Olivet
Discourse.

Jesus’ answer to the first question: “when shall these things be?”

“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.”
                                                                                             - Matthew 24:4  

Notice that the Bible says that Jesus answered their question. The pre-tribulation rapture says that there
are no signs, and that we cannot know when these things will be, but since Jesus answered their
questions we obviously can know these things.

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.  And ye shall hear of wars
and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet.”
                                                                                            - Matthew 24:5-6  

Jesus said when you hear many saying that they are the Christ, and when there are rumors of wars, the
end is still not yet!

“For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and
pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the
beginning of sorrows.”
                                                                                             - Matthew 24:7-8  

When there are many famines and pestilences and earthquakes, and when nature begins to do strange
things, then you are at the beginning of the end.


“Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my
name's sake.  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.  
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.  And because iniquity shall abound, the love
of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.  And this gospel of
the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
                                                                                           - Matthew 24:9-14  

When you begin to be persecuted and the gospel is preached in all the world, then you will know you are at
the end. The very next thing that will happen is the revealing of the Anti-Christ.

Jesus just answered their first question.  He told them it will not be when there are false Christs and
rumors of wars. It will not be when there are famines and natural disasters. He told them the end will come
when you are being persecuted and the Antichrist is revealed. He did not give them a date but he did tell
them when these things will be.

Jesus’ answer to the second question: “what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)  Then let them which be in Judea flee into the
mountains:   Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:  Neither
let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.  And woe unto them that are with child, and to
them that give suck in those days!  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath
day:  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no,
nor ever shall be.”
                                                                                         - Matthew 24:15-21  

When you see the Antichrist, that is when the great tribulation will begin. Notice the rapture has not yet
happened, so Christians will be living through this tribulation, which is the persecution of the believers by
Satan and the Antichrist.  

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her
light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  And then shall
appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall
see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  And he shall send his
angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from
one end of heaven to the other.”
                                                                                      - Matthew 24:29-31  

After the tribulation the Sun shall be darkened, the moon shall not give her light, the stars shall fall from
heaven and the powers of heaven shall be shaken. This will be our sign that the Lord Jesus Christ is
coming. Luke gives us the same description.

“And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of
nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;  Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking
after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.  And then shall
they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.  And when these things begin to
come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”
                                                                                   - Luke 21:25-28  

Luke says that when you see these signs, look up, and lift up your heads for your redemption draweth nigh.
Jesus just answered their second question and told them what the signs of his coming will be.  After he
was done answering their questions Jesus begins to teach them a parable:

“And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;  When they now shoot forth, ye see
and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.  So likewise ye, when ye see these things
come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.”  
                                                                                 - Luke 21:29-31

We are able to look at the signs of the weather and see when the seasons are changing and a new
season is coming. So we can also look for the signs that he has told us of, and we can know that the time
is near that he will be coming.  Also, in regard to knowing the time of his coming Jesus said:

“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”
                                                                               - Matthew 24:36

This is true; we do not know exactly what day, and we especially do not know what hour of the day he is
coming back. We can see the signs of his coming and prepare for his appearing.   

“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know
perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.  For when they shall say, Peace and
safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not
escape.

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of
light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.”
                                                                               -1 Thessalonians 5:1-6  

The pre-tribulation rapture teaches that the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is going to come on us with no
announcement - that he will come as a thief in the night. Paul said that the day should not overtake us as a
thief, but we are to watch and be sober! What are we watching for? The signs that Jesus told us to watch
for!

5. The lie of the secret return of Jesus Christ.

The pre-tribulation rapture teaches that one day we will all be taken out of this world and those who will be
left behind will wonder what happened to the rest of us. Did UFO’s take them? Where did they all go?  This
is the secret return of Christ and this is not taught in the Bible.

“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,  
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.  And then shall they
see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.  And then shall he send his angels,
and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost
part of heaven.”
                                                                                    - Mark 13:24-27  

“Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all
kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
                                                                                    - Revelation 1:7  

“Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the
twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must
put on immortality.  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put
on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”
                                                                                  -1 Corinthians 15:51-54  

The Bible makes it clear that when Jesus comes back to rapture the believers, the world will take notice.
They will notice the sun and moon being darkened; they will notice the stars falling and the heavens being
shaken.  They will hear the last trump.  Even more the Bible says that all kindreds of the earth will see him
coming in the clouds with their own eyes! No, those who are left behind will not be scratching their heads
wondering where we went. They will know exactly what happened, and they will wail because they will
know that now after the tribulation which they inflicted on the Christians of the world, the wrath of God will
be poured out upon them.

6. The lie of the Holy Spirit being taken out of the world.

“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the
way.”                                                       
                                                                               -2 Thessalonians 2:7  

The pre-tribulation rapture uses 2 Thessalonians 2:7 to teach that the Holy Spirit is what is keeping the
Anti-Christ from coming. It teaches that when the Holy Spirit is removed out of the world, we will be taken
up (because God has  promised never to leave us nor forsake us.) However there are some problems with
this argument.  There are a few reasons as to why this passage is not talking about the Holy Spirit:

(1)  If you believe that the Holy Spirit is removed from the world at the rapture, but you also believe that
people are still getting saved after the rapture (which the pre-tribulation rapture does teach), then you
believe that people can get saved without the Holy Spirit.

“Now he which establisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;  Who hath also sealed us,
and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.”
                                                                               -2 Corinthians 1:21-22

(2) The Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead. What people fail to realize is that just as much as God the Father
is God, and just as much as the Lord Jesus Christ is God, the Holy Spirit of God is God! Now, God is
omnipresent, so how can you remove God?

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three
are one.”                                                        -1 John 5:7  

(3)  The pre-tribulation rapture says that 2 Thessalonians 2:7 is referring to the rapture because when the
Holy Spirit leaves the earth, then Christians will also leave the earth. However, every time the rapture is
mentioned in the Bible there is a reference made to the sun, the moon, and the stars, or to the clouds. The
passage of 2 Thessalonians 2:7 and its context does not make a reference to any of these things.

(4) The best reason as to why this verse is not talking about the Holy Spirit is because verse 7 says, “he
who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.” You cannot refer to someone as “he” without first
mentioning who the “he” is. A pronoun must have an antecedent.  The antecedent is a noun to which the
pronoun is referring. In the context of this verse, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned. The Holy Spirit is not
mentioned in the book of 2 Thessalonians anywhere before 2 Thessaluians 2:7. Therefore the Holy Spirit
cannot be the antecedent of "he." The truth is that those who teach the pre-tribulation rapture have taken
this verse out of context and twisted it to prove their ridiculous teaching.

So who is the “he” mentioned in verse 7?

Well the only person mentioned that “he” could be talking about is the Antichrist.

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (Here we have the antecedent) Who (referring to the
Antichrist) opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he  
(referring to the Antichrist) as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he  (referring to the
Antichrist) is God.

Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?  And now ye know what
withholdeth that he (referring to the Antichrist) might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth
already work: only he (referring to the man of sin) who now letteth will let, until he (referring to the man of
sin) be taken out of the way.  And then shall that Wicked (referring to the Antichrist) be revealed, whom the
Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:”  -2
Thessalonians 2:3--8      
                                                     
Now that we know that verse 7 is referring to the "man of sin," we need to know a few things about the
"man of sin" before we can understand what verse 7 is talking about.

Let’s look at a few things about the "man of sin:"

(1) The Bible says he was wounded as it were to death and his deadly wound was healed.

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten
horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (The Antichrist)  And
the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the
mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, (This is the Devil) and his seat, and great authority.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the
world wondered after the beast.”
                                                                                   - Revelation 13:1-3  

(2) The Bible says he ascended out of the bottomless pit.

“And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall
make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill
them."                                                                                        - Revelation 11:7  

(3) The Bible says that he “was, and is not”

“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into
perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life
from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.  And here is
the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.  And
there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he
must continue a short space.  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.”                                                                                  
                                                                                       - Revelation 17:8-11    

What does “is not” mean? Let’s look at examples of other times the words “is not” are used in the Bible.

“And Jacob their father said unto them, Me have ye bereaved of my children: Joseph is not, and Simeon is
not, and ye will take Benjamin away: all these things are against me.”
                                                                                      - Genesis 42:36  

“The rich man shall lie down, but he shall not be gathered: he openeth his eyes, and he is not.
                                                                                      - Job 27:19  

“In Ramah was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for
her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.”
                                                                                    - Matthew 2:18  

The words “is not” are used in the scripture to describe someone who is dead.  What we've learned is that
the Anti-Christ was healed from a deadly wound, he came out of the bottomless pit (which is hell), and he
is described as “is not” which means he is dead.  

So, let’s go back to 2 Thessalonians 2:7:

“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work (this means Satan has power and influence over the man of
sin) only he who now letteth will let, (The man of sin,the Antichrist, is being used by Satan but he is still a
hindrance in the way) until he be taken out of the way.  (Referring to when the Antichrist receives his deadly
wound and dies) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, (Satan has full control of this mans body and he
ascends out of the bottomless pit) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall
destroy with the brightness of his coming."                                                                                          
                                                                                   - 2 Thessalonians 2:7 -8

7. The result of the lie of the Pre-tribulation Rapture.

The Devil and the Anti-Christ would like nothing more than for people to be confused about the events of
the end times. When Independent Fundamental Baptists agree with the doctrines of sinful books and
movies like “Left Behind” and heretics like Tim Lahaye, they are doing a great disservice to the cause of
our Lord Jesus Christ.  Even worse, they are furthering the cause of the Antichrist. Christians will be
looking for the rapture instead of the Antichrist and will not be ready for the things to come. We need to
understand that the next prophetic event to take place is worldwide persecution of Christians. If Christians
cannot live for God now, how will they live for God during great persecution (the tribulation). The Bible says:

“If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses?
and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling
of Jordan?”        
                                                                                     - Jeremiah 12:5  

Many churches believe that we do not have much time because Jesus Christ could return at any moment.
For this reason they get sucked into the  mentality of getting people saved at any cost. We must understand
what the Bible says about the things to come. Then we will not only get people saved, we will also prepare
ourselves spiritually. We would strengthen our families and churches in separation from the world and
holiness. Instead we have independent Baptist churches getting people saved, but they are as worldly and
liberal as any mega-church down the street! They are trying to save as many people as possible, even if it
means having lower standards or not preaching all of the counsel of God in order not to offend or turn
anyone away. However, if they have not already, they will soon stop giving the gospel and will only be
concerned about keeping and entertaining people in their services. The pews may be filled, but they are
liberal and spiritually dead. We must get the lost world saved, but we must also grow in grace and prepare
ourselves for what could happen in the very near future.

The pre-tribulation rapture lets you believe you can live a perfect little life, buy all your fun toys, and wear all
the stylish clothes. It allows you to believe that you can go on exciting vacations and have as much fun as
you can imagine. Then one day with no warning you will be taken up into the presence of God almighty.
The truth is, we might suffer more than we would like for the cause of our Lord Jesus Christ. We must be
ready for what the Bible says will happen in the end times. Jesus said to watch! However if you believe that
we cannot watch or that we have nothing to watch for, then you have believed the LIE of the pre-tribulation
rapture.

“And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
                                                             -Mark 13:37
Q:  Does the devil have the power to heal?

A:  We have all seen New Agers heal people...psychics and even satan worshipers heal
people.  But does THAT make them REAL or "from" God? Does THAT validate what
they teach? Those healings never last. The bottom line is, all sickness & disease really
can be boiled down to demonic activity.

When Jesus healed, He cast the demons out & said: "enter into him no more". When
Jesus was confronted by the Leaders, they said that He "cast out devils by Beelzebub,
the prince of the demons". But Jesus countered their remark by saying "if satan cast
out satan, then his kingdom has an end".  Those that seem to be able to "heal" using
powers that are not from God...these healings really are not genuine. The demon may
become dormant & move to another part of the body or manifest in a different way later,
but it really never leaves the person. That gives the appearance of a person being
"healed".

I have known Catholic priests that are holy & walk with God. They don't seem to be
fettered with all that doctrine that most Catholics are bound by. From what they showed
me, God & Jesus truly take precedence in their lives, not Mary or other pagan issues. I
also know that there are many Holy Spirit filled Catholics that walk with God, and move
in the gifts of the Spirit. I have never heard any of the ones I have known being fixated
on Mary or the other pagan issues in the Catholic church. Frankly, I honestly can't say
that I ever heard them talk about Mary. Why??? Because they were balanced....they
read their Bibles & knew what the Bible said. They did not just receive the "teachings"
that the Catholic church taught and take them as truth.

Regarding what you said of the "other churches\pastors who claimed to have the gift of
healing but couldn't heal you"...the fact is that the gifts of the Spirit do not operate when
"we" want...they operate "according to His will", not ours. There are also many
"mechanics" involved in the healing process..."a person's faith to be healed",
"sin\unforgiveness in a person's life", "the gift of healing in action" (is the minister doing
what God wants when God wants), "the working of miracles in action" (is the minister
doing what God wants, when God wants), the level of faith in the minister moving in the
gift (as well as the level of holiness in the minister's life). There are probably more
mechanics than these...I'm just naming some off the top of my head.

Honestly, it is hard for me to accept something as being "genuine", when there is major
doctrinal flaws in that persons life & belief system. The Bible says that the devil will
deceive many in the last days:

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by
our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by
word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except
there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is
God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the
spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs
and lying wonders, (you get that..ALL POWER, SIGNS & LYING WONDERS).

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of
Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the
gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto
you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

This is a God -"double whammy"...stated twice, means very serious!

We both know that much of what the Catholic church holds as "doctrine" either doesn't
line up with the Bible or they twist the Bible (taking it out of context) to fit what they are
saying (like satan did when he tempted Jesus in Matt. 4:6).

That is why Christians MUST base their faith on the Word of God & NOT solely on
experience or manmade doctrines that change with the Pope...because the devil can
perform AL TYPES of power, signs & lying wonders.

Many are being deceived today because they are led astray by "miracles,
signs & wonders", instead of clinging to the Word of God and knowing God
themselves.
They will rationalize that "it MUST BE GOD...ONLY God can heal"...

1Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom
teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The Word of God is the ONLY ANCHOR we have to hold us true to God. Without
standing on this SOLID ROCK, we sink in SAND.

Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will
liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat
upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall
be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat
upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

God's word is the ONLY ROCK...a Rock is SOLID....SAND is not solid...it is composed of
little pieces of rock...it is not solid, but is more like fluid...it moves & changes & conforms
around whatever is placed on it....I know you see what this is saying.

From the old Gospel Hymn: "On Christ, the solid rock I stand, ALL other ground is
sinking sand...all other ground is sinking sand!!!"

We must not be led astray by something that doesn't line up with God's word, just
because it has the appearance of being real.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from
the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath
created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Pastor Mark & Julie
Revival Fire Church
www.RevivalFireChurch.net
Q:  Is it ok to pray to angels?

A:  no, no, NO!  NOWHERE in the Bible are we ever told to pray or communicate
with anyone that has died, or to ever to pray to an "angel."  We are to pray to
God & Jesus ONLY.   

Jesus taught us specifically how to pray: "Our Father," not mother, angel, or buddy up
there. God gave His angels charge over us, not us charge over the angels.  They are
God's messengers, not ours.  They carry out God's work, and are not mediators in
between God and us.  Jesus said he left us with the Holy Spirit, we are to pray to the
Holy Spirit and Jesus if we need help.

The Bible actually forbids communication to the dead...it is called necromancy & it is an
abomination to God. Also, there is no Bible evidence to support anyone that is dead
appearing & talking to living people with the exception of Jesus. Yes, angels do appear
& talk to people because there is Bible evidence, but we are not to pray to angels or
anyone else but God & Jesus. Anyone doing so are opening themselves up to
deception & demonic oppression:

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that used divination, or an observer of times, or
an enchanter, or a witch.
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a
necromancer.
Deu 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and
because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before
thee.
Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

There are Bible instances where there was communication with the "dead" & these are
an exception, not the rule. The first one was with Saul with the witch at Endor.  He went
there to speak to a "familiar spirit", which God had previously commanded the Israelites
NEVER to do.  God sent Samuel the prophet overriding the power of the familiar spirit.
This is NOT something anyone should ever do...Saul died shortly after this. ( 1 Sam 28:
7 - 20)

Saul was in DEEP trouble! He had committed several ABOMINATIONS by going to this
witch, so God brings up the REAL Samuel as a "GOTCHA". This is in NO way indicating
it is something that "we" can do!  It actually says that Samuel was "disquieted" (tremble,
quake, rage, quiver, be agitated, be excited, be perturbed) when he was "brought up"...
meaning it wasn't something that should EVER have happened!!!

The other instance was when Jesus was "transfigured" in Matt. 17:1-9. Jesus spoke to
Moses & Elijah...(notice that Peter, James & John did NOT speak to them...only Jesus).
This was a "special" instance which no one else can use as Bible evidence to follow...
non of us can be "transfigured"...we are NOT God. Those that communicate with the
dead &\or talk with angels are in for some serious butt paddling, not to mention any
deception & demonic oppression they get entangled with.






Q: Why Did Jesus Spit?

A: Three times in the Bible Jesus spit to heal people.  In Mark 7:32-35, a deaf man with
a speech impediment was brought to Jesus. Jesus put His finger in the man’s ears and,
spitting, touched his tongue, then looked up to Heaven and groaned, and said to him,
"Ephatha!" ("Be opened!") Immediately the man’s ears were opened, his speech
impediment was removed and he spoke plainly.

In Mark 8:22-25, in Bethsaida, a blind man was brought to Jesus. Jesus took the blind
man outside the village. Putting spittle on his eyes, He laid hands on him and asked,
"Do you see anything?" Looking up the man replied, "I see people looking like trees
and walking." Then Jesus laid hands on his eyes a second time and the man saw
clearly.

In John 9:1-7, Jesus meets up with a blind man who was blind from birth. Jesus spat on
the ground, made clay with the saliva, smeared the clay on the man’s eyes and said to
him, "Go wash in the Pool of Siloam" (aka "Sent").  He went and washed and came back
able to see.

Why didn't He just heal these three people as He did all the others without
spit?

Jesus spat on the man's eyes because spitting back then was a common form of insult.  Jesus was
insulting the works of the devil, canceling the devil's works, thus why he formed his spit with the earth,
the devil's domain, and turning it into a miracle of God, thus trumping any works of the devil and
restoring our right relationship with God, thus, removing that which keeps us spiritually blind.  

It also shows that God can heal us any way He wants.  Sometimes Jesus heals instantly, but many
times we have to do something, we have to do our part in manifesting the healing.  This example
shows how the blind man had to go find the water and clean his eyes...not so easy for a blind man to
do.  That is the same as telling the crippled man to rise and take up his bed, same thing.  Faith is
always an action word.  Jesus said we are healed by our faith.

Also, spitting is humbling and insulting, yet if we are willing to have God spit on us, to humble us, He
has promised to exalt us.  Those who exalt themselves He will humble, but those willing to be
humbled, He exalts.

Jesus explained that the sickness was not due to a specific sin of the man or of his parents, but is a
result of the effect of the curse that is in the world due to the entrance of sin that lead to sickness,
disease, affliction and death - all due to the original fall of man in the Garden of Eden!

Jesus was stating that because of that fallen condition, the power of God is present and available to
the man and Jesus said, "It should be revealed in him!" The word "revealed," in Greek means: to be
manifested, displayed and illustrated. Jesus is saying, 'that's why I am here, to establish, to reveal, to
manifest the power of God in the face of the curse that has plagued mankind for so long.' God's
amazing Grace.

As soon as He had finished saying this, He spat on the ground and made clay with the saliva.  Jesus
spit on the ground with disgust, disgusted with sin and the curse that had alienated mankind from
true fellowship with God and had caused so much suffering in the world.

God is love, the highest and purest form of love that can exist.  When Jesus spat on the ground,
He spat with intensity and disgust, with the clear knowing of His purpose, that He had come into
the world to free mankind from the bonds of sin.

1 John 3:8; "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the
devil." In a sense Jesus was saying, "Curse, you have no hold over me, for I am Love, Light and Life,
and I have come to expel the works of darkness."

Then He took the clay made from the cursed earth (Genesis 3:17) symbolizing the curse, anointed it
and placed it on the blind man's eyes and said to him: "Go, wash in the Pool of Siloam." The man
obeyed the Word of Jesus by faith and came back seeing - completely healed and free from the curse
of blindness.

By "anointing" the man with the clay, Jesus was in effect saying, "you may have been bound by the
effects of the curse with no hope, being fully convinced of its hold, but I say that you are anointed to be
free and to live in liberty, free from the curse and its effects, for this is the gift of God, eternal and
abundant life!" See John 10:10.

When Jesus was mixing the spittle with the dust of the earth, He was thinking about the original
creation of man, who was made from that very dust, and had in mind the new creation of man that
was about to come forth because of Jesus' going to the cross. This new man would be a born-again
man with the Spirit of God dwelling on the inside, made in His image, living free from the curse,
walking in His power and authority, filled with His love and grace, and making disciples of every
nation! Can't you just picture Jesus with a little smile upon His face as He mixed the clay with the full
knowledge that everything is about to change? Relishing in the fact that the power and life of God is
about to be made manifest to the earth.

After anointing the blind man's eyes, Jesus told the blind man to go and wash in the Pool of Siloam.
Why the Pool of Siloam? What is so special about this pool of water? First of all, the word Siloam is
translated as "Sent" and is symbolic of the Messiah, the sent and anointed One that was to come. We
can see the importance and the symbolism of Jesus having the man go to the pool of Siloam and
wash, being made free from his bondage.

It was a prophetic act, sending him to that pool, foreshadowing that all of mankind will have the right
to the freedom and cleansing that comes from Him. That whosoever will may come to the Sent One
and be washed by His shed blood, becoming clean and free from the power of sin, justified - being
declared righteous - just as if we had never sinned, set free and made new!

And once sin has been dealt with, the sin that brought about the curse, then healing for the whole
man is a natural reality as it is the outflow of His very life, and our covenant birthright, our inheritance
as a born-again child of God.

An interesting fact of the Pool of Siloam is that it's origin or source is the what is known as the
Fountain of the Virgin. Again, lending to the Messianic symbolism that is so prevalent in this
miraculous and insightful story. The Pool of Siloam is located very near the Temple, and on the last
day of the Feast of Tabernacles, a Levite was sent with a Golden pitcher to the Pool of Siloam to fill it
with water. He would then bring it back to the Temple so that it could be poured upon the altar. This
served as a symbolic reminder of when the children of Israel were sojourning in the wilderness and
had come to Rephidim, and were complaining because they were so thirsty. God commanded
Moses to strike the rock that followed them and water poured forth that quenched their thirst and
brought about refreshing (Ex. 17).

Concerning this fact, there is a great Messianic truth revealed to us in 1 Corinthians 10:1-4:
"Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all
passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same
spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed
them, and that Rock was Christ."

John 7:37-39 gives us insight regarding the Feast of Tabernacles and the value of the proclamation
that Jesus made in this block of Scripture that alludes to the Pool of Siloam: "On the last day, that
great day of the feast [of Tabernacles], Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him
come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow
rivers of living water." But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would
receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified."

As Jesus was preaching the Levite was returning from the Pool of Siloam with the Golden pitcher
(also symbolic of Jesus: Gold represents preciousness and purity, Kingship and Kingdom glory, and
the pitcher a symbol of His humanity, the vessel that would pour forth refreshment) and upon Jesus
seeing the Levite, He proclaimed, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in
Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." A direct reference tying
Himself to Exodus chapter 17 and to Siloam - Proclaiming, "I Am the Sent One."

During the procession of the Levite going to the Pool of Siloam to retrieve the water, on the way back,
the people who were in procession, would recite Isaiah 12:3 that states, "Therefore with joy you will
draw water from the wells of salvation." WOW! This is so clear that Jesus is the fulfillment of all that
this ceremony represents. Wells of salvation, Jesus, Siloam - the Sent One bringing salvation,
deliverance, healing and restoration to all who will accept Him as Lord.

Regarding Jesus as the Sent One, Hebrews 3:1 reads, "Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the
heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus..."
The word Apostle in the Greek is the word Apostolos and it means: one sent forth and it implies
purpose, a sent one with a mission. It is a compound word - apo - "from," and stello - "to send."
Surely we all agree that Jesus was sent forth from the Father with a distinct purpose - to redeem
mankind.

Let's take a look at what Jesus said about His being sent. In John 4:34 it reads, "Jesus said to them,
"My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work." John 6:40 says, "And this is the
will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting
life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

Over and over again, Jesus refers to Himself as being sent by the Father. In Luke chapter 4
beginning with verse 16, it records the event of Jesus going to the Synagogue on the Sabbath and
standing up to read from the book of Isaiah. In verses 18 and 19 Jesus reads the very words that
Isaiah prophesied about Him approximately 700 years earlier.

He proclaims, "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel
to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery
of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed; to proclaim the acceptable year of the
LORD." (Luke 4:18-19)

Where it says that ‘He has sent Me to heal...' That word "sent" is the root word Apostello in the Greek,
the very word where we get the word Apostle from. Again it means to be set apart for a mission or
purpose, to be sent, to be appointed for something, confirming the fact that Jesus is the true Apostle
and Sent One our Messiah. But what I want you to see clearly is the phrase that states the goal of His
purpose: ‘to set at liberty those who are oppressed.' The two words in that phrase, "to set", is actually
one word in the Greek language. It's the very same word that is used to describe Jesus' purpose, that
word is Apostello, the same word that describes Jesus as being sent, appointed with a mission or
purpose. Isn't this amazing?

What Isaiah was prophesying, and Jesus was proclaiming, is that through Jesus, the Messiah, the
Sent One, through His redemptive work, we who are recipients of His grace,
have been set apart, and are appointed for liberty and freedom from oppression, including sickness
and disease.

That word liberty literally means deliverance, a freeing from anything that has a hold on us.  It
is a declaration of our position in His righteousness that is given to us, just as if we have never
sinned!  And in this state of righteousness, no sickness, disease, or sin caused malady in any area
of body, soul or spirit has any right to stay in us any longer!

We're anointed and appointed, apostles if you will, set apart to His righteousness. Not just
to experience it for ourselves, but given a mandate to take it to the world itself, testifying of His great
grace and love for mankind. That's our mission, that's our purpose - to spread the Good News of a
loving, compassionate God!

As Jesus read the last part of that Scripture in Luke 4:19, He said He had come ‘to proclaim the
acceptable year of the LORD.' What He was talking about is the year of Jubilee, and the description of
it is found in Leviticus 25:9-11. The year of Jubilee, which occured every 50 years, was a returning of
all possessions that were lost and all family that had become slaves due to debt or any other reason
were set free, and all lands that had been sold would revert back to the original owner.

Leviticus 25:9-11; "Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the
seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your
land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its
inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of
you shall return to his family."

Luke 4:21 "...Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing" Jesus was saying, I am He, I am the One
- the Sent One, the Messiah, I am your Jubilee! I have been sent to set you free, to bring healing and
to proclaim liberty and deliverance to those who are bound and oppressed! To bring mankind back to
its original preordained place of being children of the Most High God, in fellowship with Him, and
enjoying all of the covenant rights that go along with it.

The barrier that sin caused, and which broke our right to fellowhip with the Lord, has been removed,
and we now have the right to come boldly to the Throne of Grace to obtain mercy and find grace to
help in time of need - Hebrews 4:16. I pray that in light of this great truth, you would take a bold new
stand today with your faith. Whatever is ailing you, Jesus is your healer. He has paid the price for your
freedom and set you apart, anointed you and appointed you to receive all that He is and all that He
has and for you to live in it daily. He will renew your mind, renew your heart, restore what is broken.  
He's your life, He's your abundance of grace, life, mercy and love. It's your birthright as a believer,
make up your mind and set your will to receive and that you will not be denied.

Allow this great truth to go deep and build your faith, rise up in a new attitude of hope and take hold of
what Jesus did for you. Understand that Jubilee is a done deal. It's already bought and paid for and
has your name stamped upon it. You need to know and understand that it's biblically illegal for the
enemy to bind you any longer. Know this: The enemy can only have or possess the ground that you
allow him to have. This is why it's so important for you to know the truth, to know the Word - which is
the documentation of your covenant rights. So rise up and take your stand and take back what
rightfully belongs to you. The bonds have been broken, the Gospel trumpet of the Jubilee has
sounded, and it's time for you to stand up and take hold of your rightful possession in Him - you are
anointed and appointed, you are an apostle to victory!









Q: How can you tell a true prophet from a false one?

A:  Prophets are called to be God's  messengers. Prophets not sent by God are called
False Prophets EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY PROPHECY ACCURATELY.  God uses
both throughout the Bible. Balaam and his talking donkey (Num 22:21-), he was paid to
curse the Jews. He couldn't. We are to respect true Prophets.  We should ignore and
wait until God kills the False Prophets.   

Test all messages from God (1st Thess. 5:16-22). If they do not claim that Jesus is fully
God and fully man, run away. Satan is a great Theologian. Never discuss Theology with
him. Just rebuke him in Jesus name, but only if you have Jesus in your heart.  Prophets
work within portals to the spirit world. If a person is not called to work in a spiritual way
by God, they will reach a messenger, a satanic messenger. Please stay way from Ouija
boards, Magic 8 balls, Taro Cards and all that crud. Your personal spirit guide is itching
to deceive you. Don't open the portal!

We have been in the Church Age for nearly 2,000 years. We will soon enter the
Kingdom Age. We have taken the church away from its home-Jerusalem, and away
from the cultivated olive branches (Rom 11:24) - the Jews. Read the first 3 chapters of
Revelation. The church is a divided mess. What do you call a person that makes their
body a business? A prostitute! The church resembles a business! We are to be one
Holy church in Jesus! He is coming back to Jerusalem to reign 1,000 years with one
Holy bride-his church. He needs us prepared in our hearts. We need circumcised
hearts.

Someone has to ready the bride for the bridegroom! It is that close. Someone has to
shout from the mountaintops that Jesus wants us to repent! It is your job to ready
yourself. God has been telling me "Readiness" is a key word. Very few are listening to
the True Prophets. What Barbara (aka "The Unknown Prophet") is saying is the truth.
Test her. She matches up with other True Prophets.

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1. Deuteronomy 18:21-22, "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word
which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD,
if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not
spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

The true Prophet of the Lord predicts that which does come to pass. If the
Prophet's predictions fail, they are exposed as NOT of God.

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2 Numbers 12:6, "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I
the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a
dream."

The true Prophet of the Lord will receive visions or dreams from the Lord.

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3. Numbers 24:4 "He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of
the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open: "Numbers 24:16, "He hath
said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which
saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:"

When in "vision" their eyes will be open

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4. Daniel 10:17, "For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as
for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me."

When in "vision" a true Prophet will NOT breath. "Inspiration" = God Breathed,
Therefore, since the Almighty is breathing through the Prophet
communicating His Truth, the Prophet has no need to breath

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5. Daniel 10:17, "For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as
for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me."

The true Prophet will collapse with absolutely no strength in him/her

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6. Daniel 10:18, "Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a
man, and he strengthened me,"

Once "touched in the "vision" the Prophet receives supernatural strength.

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7. Jeremiah 28:9, "The prophet which prophesies of peace, when the word of the
prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly
sent him."

A true Prophet will be 100% accurate. there is absolutely no margin for error.

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8. 2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private
interpretation."  A true Prophet NEVER gives his private interpretation.

He only shares what the Lord reveals. Scripture defines Scripture, not man.

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9. 2 Peter 1:21, "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men
of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."  A true Prophet only prophecies
in the name of the Lord. He only seeks to glorify the Lord.

He will never seek glory to himself. NEVER!

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10. 1 Corinthians 14:3-4, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification,
and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church."  

A true Prophet will look to edify, comfort, and uplift the Church body by his
testimony as well as exhort them.

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11. Isaiah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, it is because there is no light in them."  A true Prophet keeps God's Law, and
abides by the testimony of the Bible Prophets as well.

If a Prophet does not agree with the Bible Prophet's or does not keep God's
Ten Commandments, he is a false Prophet.

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12. 1 John 4:1-3, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are
of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the
Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of
God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of
God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and
even now already is it in the world."  

A true Prophet believes and preaches the incarnation of Jesus Christ. He will
preach Jesus as God who came to Earth and put on humanity in order to
redeem us all.

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13. Matthew 7:15-20, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men
gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth
good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil
fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth
good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know
them."

A true Prophet will show good works, and have identifiable fruits of a
Christian. They'll have abundant BIBLICAL fruits!

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14. Exodus 15:20, "And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her
hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances."

Judges 4:4, "And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that
time."

2 Chronicles 34:22, "And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah
the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the
wardrobe; and they spake to her to that effect."

Luke 2:36, "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the
tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from
her virginity;"

Acts 21:8-9, "And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came
unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one
of the seven; and abode with him. And the same man had four daughters, virgins,
which did prophesy."  

Gender makes no difference.  Women can and have been prophet's.

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15. Acts 2:17-18, "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of
my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your
young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:  And on my
servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they
shall prophesy:"   

Age makes no difference in being a prophet.

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16. Matthew 24:24-25, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall
shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the
very elect.  Behold, I have told you before."

Performing miracles proves nothing.
  • Is salvation and baptism enough?
  • Do people who commit suicide go to heaven or hell?
  • Can you tell me if the Rapture is before Tribulation?
  • What are some of the lies of Pre-Rapture?
  •  Can the devil heal?
  • Aren't doctors prophesying curses over us with their negative diagnosis?
  • Is healing for all?
  • How do you know if it's a true healing?
  • Will drawing closer to God cast out sickness?
  • Can we cast out our own sickness and evil spirits?
  • Did Jesus die for past, present and future sins?
  • Will God only forgive you if you repent?
  • Are we to forgive only when others ask to be forgiven?
  • How many times should we forgive?
  • Why did Jesus spit?
  • Is it ok to pray to angels?
  • How can you tell a true prophet from a false one?
curses over me?

A:  Yes, when people go to "a doctor", many really do NOT really know what
they are doing. If we go to the doctor and the doctor says we have this or that
wrong with us"...THEY ARE PROPHESYING A CURSE UPON US!

It's not just a matter of disagreeing with what they say. THAT curse MUST be broken
off.
Much like you did when the doctor said you had ZERO chance of being healed. You
broke off their CURSE by SPEAKING God's TRUTH, which destroyed the power of their
Curse.

That is why it is better NOT to go to doctors...because most doctors are just
ministers of the devil. They only "prophesy" death & loss instead of health &
life.

There ARE some good doctors that will even pray for healing, but not many.
Those that "understand" spiritual things know NOT to "receive" those destructive
"prophetic words" from a doctor. But people that don't know what is really going on will
receive the "pronouncement of the curse" & suffer the consequences. That is why a lot
of people have a very hard time getting the victory over sickness & disease...they
received the lie instead of the truth.

But the victory can & will come once this curse has been effectively broken off of them.
That can be a very hard thing to do though, because most people will more readily
"believe" what they can see: the LIE (xray/blood test), instead of what they cannot see:
the TRUTH (the word of God).

Pastor Mark & Julie
Revival Fire Church
www.RevivalFireChurch.net






Q:  Is Healing For All?

A:  YES.  The Bible says that by Jesus' stripes (beatings) we are healed.  Jesus
healed ALL manner of sickness and disease.  He told his disciples to do
likewise.  

There are seven scriptural methods whereby you can receive your healing. I believe the
prayer of faith is the highest form of prayer to receive healing. In Mark 11:24 Jesus said,
"Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you
receive them, and you will have them.

Is Jesus a liar or does He tell the truth? He tells the truth! He says, "whatever things you
ask...." Wouldn't that have to include healing? Yes, it does.

Therefore, it must be God's will to heal. Otherwise He could not make that kind of bold
declaration. "Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray"-not after
you pray, not a month later, not when you see something, not when you understand it,
but "when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them."

If you believe you receive them you will confess that, "Bless the Lord - I believe I am
healed, I believe I have received my healing." Now, once you make a faith confession
you are going to get opposite from the enemy. His motive is to move you off your faith
confession.

Someone might say, "Yes, but you don't look like you are healed." I didn't say, "I look
like I'm healed," I said, "I believe that I received my healing."
"Yes, but how do you feel?"
"Bless God, I am not going by how I feel - I am going by what I believe - and I
believe I
am healed, in Jesus' Name."
"Yes, but that doesn't make sense."
"That's right; it is not sense, it's faith."
"Yes, but that's illogical."
"You're right again; it's not logic, it's faith."
"Yes, but I just don't understand that."
"I don't understand how it works either, but I believe it is true because God said it in His
Word."

Listen friend, I don't understand how television works, but I believe if I turn it on, I can
watch a movie. The fact that I don't understand how it works does not stop me from
enjoying the benefits of watching my favorite TV programs in living color.

I don't know how an airplane stays up in the sky, as big as a 747 is-that thing is gigantic.
How does it stay up in the air? The good news is that I don't have to understand it to get
on the plane and fly from Los Angeles to Hawaii or somewhere else. All I have to do is
believe the plane can fly me there, get on board and go. After all, that is what you want
anyway-the results-right?

Praise God! You don't have to do any more than believe that you receive your healing
based on the Word of God and you shall have it!

Is healing for all? I believe that it is so. I believe that I can walk in divine health all the
days of my life. I believe and confess that I will never be sick and I'm not being
presumptuous. The Bible says in Psalm 91:1, "He who dwells in the secret place of the
Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty."
I believe I'm right in there under His right wing-right up under that wing. God Himself said
in verse 10, "...No evil shall befall you, nor shall any plague come near your dwelling."
Whose dwelling place is God talking about? My dwelling place because I am under His
shadow of protection.

What is a plague? Isn't that sickness and disease? God said, ""...No evil shall befall you,
nor shall any plague come near your dwelling." Well, I guess God lied. No, He is not a
man that He should lie. He went on to say, in verse 16, "With long life I will satisfy him,
and show him My salvation." Praise God! Healing is for all.

Oh, that's not to say I'm not attacked. I'm attacked. The devil just sits like a blood
hound-every morning I wake up he's sitting right on the foot of the bed. Sometimes he
throws that dart the right way, but it doesn't stop me and it won't stop me because I'm
being strong-not in Fred Price-but I'm being "strong in the Lord and in the power of His
might."

Dr. Frederick K.C. Price
Crenshaw Christian Center
www.faithdome.org







Q:  How do you know a true healing from a false one?

A:  A true healing will be a complete healing, God doesn't do things partially.

It will be done in the NAME of JESUS & also will ONLY ascribe or give glory to God &
Jesus (no one else as God said He'll give no one else His glory and is a jealous God).
When a healing is not of God, it will undoubtedly not last long & more than likely signs of
demonic activity will show-up in the person later (fears, torments, other symptoms, etc.).

Matthew 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it
forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

Jam 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and
easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without
hypocrisy.

1Jo 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you,
that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In
the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.







Q:  If sickness comes from an evil spirit, will drawing closer to God cast it
out or does it need to be verbally/spiritually cast out?  

A: Yes, usually drawing closer to God (entering deeper into His presence &
glory) will burn out most anything that is not of God.

When we enter His presence, He is a sense has APPEARED to us. We see Him as He is
and as we spend time in His word AND with Him, we will become more like Him (purified &
holy as He is holy). Many are healed & delivered while being in His presence. But that
CAN depend on the level of intimacy one has with Him. The depth of His presence in
one's life, is determined by a person's submission, obedience & love to Him. Some
people are not fully committed or double-minded. Doubt, anger, unforgiveness, fear will
block healing and being able to be in His presence.  After being in His presence, it is
easier to verbally\spiritually cast out of these people since you are opening the doors
for God to work.

Heb 12:29 Our God is a consuming fire.
1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see
him as he is.
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he
appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of
Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering
in righteousness.
Luke 13:11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen
years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.







Q:  Can we cast out our own evil spirits or do we need someone else to
do it?

A:   A person CAN cast evil spirits from self, but this also depends on the "size
or strength" of the demon stronghold.

Sometimes the agreement of 2 or 3 is needed for complete success. This is why Jesus
always sent the disciples 2 by 2. Also, Jesus said sometimes it is only by prayer &
fasting for more difficult cases.

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in
heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any
thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the
midst of them.

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are
subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over
all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but
rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Mar 9:28 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why
could not we cast him out?
Mar 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer
and fasting.

























Q:  Did Jesus die with all our unrepented sins, or did Jesus die for ALL
our sins, past present and future?

A:  Jesus took all the sins of the world on to him. For this, God had to turn from
him. It was the ultimate heartbreak for both of them.

Satan assumed this was his greatest victory. This shattered Satan and sin. Jesus
famous question, "Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabachthani?" captures the moment with unique
Godly passion. This is not merely a man's death. This is the overturning of everything
human and spiritual. This is Jesus-the perfect lamb, fully human and fully God accepting
every past, present and future sin out of unquenchable love. He took on the "Whole
Enchilada" of every possible sin. Then he had to suffer the greatest pain when his
loving father turned from him.

If you think that a nuclear bomb is powerful, imagine the spiritual power of the cross. In
Jesus death, God ripped his Holy veil in the Temple, thereby ending the Old Covenant.
By Jesus going to the cross, taking on our sins and suffering his father's rejection, he
blew up the spirit world forever. Jesus then introduced the New Covenant where we may
go to him directly any day, not just Yom Kippor, and repent to throw heavy sin burdens
off. What a new joy!

It is revolutionary. He broke the power of sin. He changed the parameters of sin so that
they are completely washed by his blood. He perfected his Old Covenant and wrote the
new one on our hearts, as he promised in Jeremiah. Can you imagine the rejoicing in
heaven by all the angels when he fulfilled and renewed everything? "It is Finished!" Sin
is finished by the perfect completion of Jesus' humble death on the cross and
resurrection.







Q:  Will God only forgive you when you repent of your sins?

A:  Don't bet your life on doubting this one. You MUST repent of your sins, Jesus spoke
of this.  Sin prevents you from fully enjoying God's love.  The 4 spiritual rules are you
must confess (1st John 1:9), repent (Luke 13:3), believe (Acts 16:31) and receive (John
1:12).

"Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand."

God is Holy. Sins are a stench in his nose. He is willing to forgive you if you are sincere.
Plus, sins weigh you down. Why would you desire to be heavy with a burden? Please
read Pilgrim's Progress. On the other hand there is Grace. God is Holy, so he has every
right and privilege to forgive based on grace. Such as: You die in a car crash and don't
repent for mocking the elderly an hour before. Grace rules! But it is Holy and complex.







Q:  Does God wants us to forgive others only if they ask for it?

A:  No, we are told that unless we forgive others regardless of whether they deserve it
or not, God will not forgive us.  Forgiveness is never for the other person, it is ALWAYS
for you and to have a true relationship with God.







Q:  How many times should we forgive?   

A:  God wants us to forgive 70 times 7, that means daily.  Every day, search your heart,
do micro searches going all the way back to childhood.  Forgive everyone for
everything, no matter how big or small the offense.  

Jesus died on the cross with his last words: "Forgive them Father, they know not what
they do."

We're to do the same.  As we forgive others, we'll be forgiven by God.







Q:  Is the Catholic Church the first church?

A:  No, the Catholic church was NOT the first church, God setup up the early
church: "built upon the apostles & prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the
chief corner stone" (Eph. 3:20 ).

Catholics believe that "Peter's confession" in which Jesus said "upon this rock, I will build
My church", as designating that Peter was the first pope...this is incorrect.  Why would
God be so foolish to build His church on an unstable man?  

When Jesus told Peter: "you are Peter (greek = petros = a stone), He wasn't saying
Peter was a ROCK (greek = petra = massive rock),
Jesus said that His church would
be built upon the confession of faith "thou art the Christ, the Son of the living
God"
(Matt. 16:15-19)...Jesus is THAT ROCK...NOT Peter!

"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that
followed them:
and that Rock was Christ" (1 Cor. 10:4).

The FIRST church was corrupted by the mingling of Babylonian practices around
400AD. Here is an excellent study of the Catholic church & Babylon:  
http://
www.hisservice.com/helm/wri/mont/babylon.htm

Pastor Mark & Julie
Revival Fire Church
www.RevivalFireChurch.net
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